I would like to call upon the people who read my blog to give me the comment regarding the above issue.

Before that I should give you a brief introduction about the case:
Pejabat Tanah and the MPAJ would like to turn (had been turning) a 5 ekar land to a muslim cemetary. According to pejabat tanah it started in year 2000.

The location of the proposed cemetary is at the backyard of all housing area. That piece of land is attaced to all the jungle or you may call it jungle reserve. The jungle reserve is around 22 ekar which is link to Cheras Hartamas (but no through road, only mountain).

Pejabat Tanah agree to develope a new through road to this cemetary so that the funeral car would not pass through all the housing area and school.

The proposed cemetary has moved in 70 square feet from the taman road. Outside is a parking, playground and a dewan. There are walls to blog the view from outside.

I called for a meeting 2 months ago after I realised that a machine went inside and clear the land. About 100 + residents from all ethnicity turn up. There are some people against but not very strong, most of them would like to know the development plan of this cemetary.

2 weeks ago, I received the development plan. I photostate the plan and invited residents to call me or my office regarding this project. I also invite them to attend the meeting which called by Pejabat Tanah. Sad to say that no call from the residents. 5 residents turned up for the meeting.

Before the meeting starts, I have a pre-meeting meeting with all these residents. I told them that they can voice out whatever opinion during the meeting. Sad to say that also, only one person voice out and this person did not oppose the project.

After that MCA called the residents to come out and protest this project. MP Dato Ong Tee Keat and the Ex-councilor Cindy Leong was there.

Your proposal or solutions are very much appreciated.

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*XxUFOxX*   |118.100.211.xxx |2008-09-18 22:57:33 Don't put the feng shui in front all we house. Quote 1   0

XxUFOxX   |118.100.211.xxx |2008-09-18 22:55:40 Hi none residents, I think that you must be kidding by saying that a cemetery in front a house gives good feng shui! May I know who is your Si FU? I think your SI FU is out dated. So I think you should have a cemetery in your house or under your bed so that it gives better feng shui. Oops not only that,no one will steal him/her from you too.If every one does this, our YB will look ten years younger cos. she doesn't need to think so much day and night and can sleep soundly all night long. Quote 1   0

XxUFOxX   |118.100.211.xxx |2008-09-18 22:49:34 Hi none residents, I think that you must be kidding by saying that a cemetery in front a house gives good feng shui! May I know who is your Si FU? I think your SI FU is out dated. So I think you should have a cemetery in your house or under your bed so that it gives better feng shui. Oops not only that,no one will steal him/her from you too.If every one does this, our YB will look ten years younger cos. she doesn't need to think so much day and night and can sleep soundly all night long. Quote 1   0

Jenice   |60.50.246.xxx |2008-09-07 21:41:37 Razman, All comment need to be official, this forum is only for casual discussion. If you don't mind can u write an email or fax your opinion to me. yinghalee@gmail.com fax3-4295 3266. Some comments need to be on time, when things had happened, the comment is just a piece of wording....please do not make the same mistake next time Quote 0   0

Razman Jarmin  - Mr   |219.95.220.xxx |2008-09-07 01:12:01 YB Jenice (part 2) 1. How critical is the graveyard in MPAJ? I don't have the data. Perhaps you can make the inquiry. The way i look at the situation, the plan that MPAJ is proposing can only be materialised in 0ne year. (Provided no court injunction taken by the residents). If it so urgent that no more burial site within one week, i think the football field beside the existing graveyard should be made available. I am sure the Kg Cheras Baru people wouldn't mind as they had mentiond this morning that it is so critical. I think it can accomodate about 300 graveyards and should last for 2-3 years. The access is readily available, there is no nearby residents to complain and I am pretty sure the Excellent MPAJ engineers should be able to handle the so called full of rocks land filled. After all the proposed area at Bukit Permai is also a temporary and will be fully occupied within 10 years! The next issue is what shall we do after... Quote 0   1

Razman Jarmin  - Mr   |219.95.220.xxx |2008-09-07 00:50:54 Hi YB Jenice, I decided to give some comments following the meeting with the residents at Taman Bukit Permai this morning. I had followed the discussion this morning between the residents and the ADun but sad to say no new suggestions were given to solve the problem. I was suprised with the big turn out of residents from different areas. I would say the environment was quite hostile when the issue about racial, religion and politics was brought up. Therefore I decided not to give my suggestion during the meeting because worry that it worsened matters because for a Malay guy to go against the idea of Muslim cemetary will be quite unimaginable. However this is my suggestions: 1. How critical is the graveyard in MPAJ? I don't have the data. Perhaps you can make the inquiry. The way i look at the situation, the plan that MPAJ is proposing ca... Quote 0   0

HONGK   |138.25.106.xxx |2008-09-06 09:49:51 Mr Hoe What you say sounds interesting. Cannot wait too long to hear what you know. If it is recent, why did the recent councillors approve them? Quote 0   0

Hoe Mun Lin  - FY Lim Comments   |60.49.4.xxx |2008-09-05 14:18:47 Hi F Y Lim Will reply your comments in details when I am free BTW you should ask ADUN Jenice Lee for facts before you give your comments She should have all the bylaws and dates you are talking about Quote 0   0

FY Lim   |60.50.76.xxx |2008-09-05 10:50:13 Then the next question is why did'nt the Bkt Teratai residents bring it up to their MP and ADUN as well as protest to the local council in the first place ? We did'nt hear or see any objections earlier if not for the new PR ADUN, M/s Jenice Lee. She infact did her job to inform all of the residents. Quote 0   0

FY Lim   |60.50.76.xxx |2008-09-05 10:39:22 I would reckon that the cemetery must have been planned long before the new PR govt come into being. I presume Mr. Hoe Mun Lin must be in the know. The local council by right cannot plan and develop the cemetery over a period of 5 months. Mr. Hoe , am I right ? Please correct me if I am wrong. If the cemetery was planned within 5 months, then the local council is not following the by-laws. Quote 0   0

FY Lim   |60.50.76.xxx |2008-09-05 10:34:22 As residents, we should be aware of what the local councils plan for the infrastructure facilities in our own area. As such , it is the responsibility of the local council to inform the concerned residents and the residents to be concerned and consciously participate in the development of their area. Quote 0   0

FY Lim  - Mr   |60.50.76.xxx |2008-09-05 10:30:07 Mr. Hoe Mun Lin, I did not understand your comments on the proposal of a single large cemetery to cater the burial of all Muslims in the state. Are you advocating that this should be the case ? If it is, then I would say that this is not realistic. Why ? if people from Dengkil have to come to a centralised cemetery in a place say, Kuala Kubu Baru , then it it take them hours to travel. Not practical ! Quote 0   0

CALVIN KLEIN   |218.208.198.xxx |2008-09-04 01:51:13 Ong Tee Keat ? A person given to hypocrisy. Quote 0   0

Outsider   |60.50.125.xxx |2008-09-03 00:48:18 than taking off the reserved forest. Please, be smart resident, dont be fool by BN people. It is just my small comment. We need to live in a peace country. Learn to accept. TQ Quote 0   0

Outsider  - Some comments?   |60.50.125.xxx |2008-09-03 00:46:45 Hi Residents, My comments: 1. Since it has been approved by the previous government, it is quite tough to protest, because BN is pretty good in playing law. I think they will some how using LAW to protect their project. 2. I don't think cementry is not residents' problem. People talking of that reserved forest. Is it so important to have that forest beside ur house? What is inside the cementry, it is dead person. I think live person is more scary than dead perso, at least dead person never rob ur house, never raise out sensative issue, Be smart resident, dont be fool by some live person. Live person will cheat you, will spoilt the environment. Sometime, we need to learn how to accept, if we can accept others, others will accept us. For example, our malay family never complaining that chinese buring paper during the chinese month of july (ghost festival). when u r burning paper, you are sabotage the environment serious tha... Quote 0   0

Hoe Mun Lin  - FY Lim & KK Lim - See you this Saturday   |60.49.4.xxx |2008-09-02 19:32:37 Hi FY Lim & KK Lim Hope that you can turn up at Cemetery Site on Saturday 9.30am 6 September 2008 and you have a much better feeling about the protest This gathering is organise by YB Jenice and she told us that she will invite YB Datuk Ong Tee Keat which we all welcome Quote 0   0

Hoe Mun Lin   |60.49.4.xxx |2008-09-02 19:28:11 Hi Mr F Y Lim To those people, I say please come out of your hidden.. To update you: we meet YB Jenice last night once she let us know that she wishes to meet the residents, many of us turnup. Are you there? Quote 0   0

Hoe Mun Lin  - KK Lim - Bkt Teratai Pro-tem   |60.49.4.xxx |2008-09-02 19:24:14 Hi K K Lim Sorry not the same person but posted the message from the same computer as I am helping the Bukit Teratai Pro-tem President Mr Jeffrey Tam to type his handwritten message for all of you. Is that a problem to you for helping people? Quote 0   0

Hoe Mun Lin  - K K Lim - 14 Stalls   |60.49.4.xxx |2008-09-02 19:20:39 Hi K K Lim Sorry not from MCA, actually no political affiliation, considering of joining DAP Taman Muda, all depend on our present ADUN do the job, we must have confident. Never appear in the 14 stalls protest with OTK & Leong as you said you saw me so not sure what you have seen. BTW do you really know me or you are refering someone else, I believe you have some motives Quote 0   0

Hoe Mun Lin  - KK Lim   |60.49.4.xxx |2008-09-02 19:13:22 Hi K K Lim Nobody is interested to bully Pakatan Rakyat, only your imagination. If we know about the project 10years ago we definitely protest and never scare of BN. We are now giving a golden opportunity to Pakatan Rakyat to perform so that they can take over the government. Quote 0   0

FY Lim  - Mr   |60.50.78.xxx |2008-09-02 19:04:24 Dear Jenice, From the comments, it appears that there are people out to criticise than giving constructive proposals. My suggestion is that : - 1. Get the MP of the area whom I understand is YB Ong Tee Kiat to be actively involved as well. He cannot run away from this issue. 2. The question of the cemetery having being planned earlier and why the residents were not aware of it. Did the residents raise any objections with their previous ADUN ? If not, why not ? 3. Voting Jenice to be your ADUN does not mean that she can do everything as there are local laws and rules to follow. The very fact your ADUN took an active role in getting the community involved is already a good start. Did the previous ADUN do the same ? To be fair Jenice is only 5 months into the job. 4. Threatening not to vote for her is childish and I suspect come from her political opponents. To those people, I say please come out of your hidden Quote 0   0

hongk   |138.25.2.xxx |2008-09-02 18:17:34 Mr Hoe You are a man and not a child. Adults can decide for themselves just like residents have to decide they want a market, car parks, lake, buses. No wonder the previous governmnet have not taught the people to decide for themselves but BN does it for you. There are people like to have amenities near to them and there are some just simply abhor them as they want to be like Trazan close to the forest. ADUN is to help the residents to get what they want. May not be 100 % but certainly morethan 50%. See I stay in a place where there is no proper market. The market is like pondoks and infested with RATS because the first thing BN build is MOSQUE and SURA. Mind, whtever races, we need a place to do our marketing and meals. But they are pondoks and unclean as there is no proper water supply and sanitation. Quote 0   0

KK Lim   |60.53.113.xxx |2008-09-02 17:14:02 "Hoe Mun Lin" and "Bukit Teratai Resident Pro-tem".. are there same person? Lim Quote 0   0

KK Lim   |60.53.113.xxx |2008-09-02 17:06:38 Dear Mr Hoe Mun Lin, Are you form MCA? B'cos i saw you protest against the 14 new food stalls with Miss ÁºÏþÇÙ & YB Datuk Ong TK last month at Tmn Muda? Correct me if wrong. Lim Quote 0   0

Hoe Mun Lin  - Bukit Teratai Proposed Cemetery Protest & Meeting   |60.49.4.xxx |2008-09-02 11:59:38 Hi everybody Saturday 6th September 2008 9.30am sharp protesters meeting Place: Cemetery Site All are welcome to voice your protests Quote 0   0

hongk   |138.25.2.xxx |2008-09-01 18:23:10 Agree that no one wanted not only the cemetery, but also roads, highways, railway lines, power transmission, sewerage treatment plant to be built in their neighbour. So does all the neighbourhood in the whole counrty and this include the PIG FARMS in Selangor. So we must also understand how the Muslims who live near to the Pig farm are also directly affected. Live and dead animals moving in and out daily along their houses. We are also telling the architects, Enginers, town planners that you can build but not in my backyard. Lucky all of us here, can voice out and be heard by our PR ADUN here. How we wish that there is a Superperson include the MCA can solve this problem directly. Like the PIG FARM, the solution is to migitate it. How come this voicing was not available when BN was in power? Quote 0   0

hongk   |138.25.2.xxx |2008-09-01 17:55:53 You are right if the cemetery is properly planned such as been proposed in the local structural plan. If it has been already allocated in the township plan, then to what extent can the ADUN do? Or what happen that it was formulated in before 2008 General Election under BN? What have the people been doing during that time? If the plan has been bulldozed, then you can bulldozed into the Selangor EXCO's Office!!! I support you. How come no action is taken against the chairperson when all the resident disagree with him such as kicking him out? In the first place, the people must come to a decision. Some yes and some no. With few hundred voices, who to listen or listen to representative such as the chairperson? What I see, if the person who lives furthest away from the cemetary has the same weightage as the who lives furthest. What happen if he opposed the LRT station whereas the one nearest does not mind the LRT station? Quote 0   0

Hoe Mun Lin  - Cemeteries Near KL & Selangor   |60.49.4.xxx |2008-09-01 13:43:05 YB Jenice The nearest flat resident chairperson agree with the proposal. Are you saying that only the charirperson agreed or all the flat residents agreed. Cemeteries are build long before housing existed in the area, we only support proper planned and cemeteries out of residential areas, it is not whether it is Malay or Chinese culture, it is the Outlook for the area. Are you saying you are in full support cemetries to be build in your constituency then tell it to the residents in face Quote 0   0

Bukit Teratai Resident Pro-tem  - Disappointed & Angry   |60.49.4.xxx |2008-09-01 13:30:15 Part 22: The residents don't want a cemetery to be build in their resident area: Full Stop? thats all they are asking for. Also I wish to clarified that I am a resident directly affected by the cemetery and I am not from any political party and don't push all the blame to us for not voicing. In fact the residents including my whole family attended your election rallies held at your office Pandan Perdana and Teratai food courts is this the support and votes given to you that your return gifts to us is just a "approved by previous state government and cannot be amended?" Jeffrey Tam Quote 0   0

Bukit Teratai Resident Pro-tem  - Disappointed & Angry   |60.49.4.xxx |2008-09-01 13:24:18 Part 21: So the question is how are we to speak up in the meeting when our honourable ADUN has this kind of mindset of cemetery OK near our house and keep on blaming the previous government project. What confident the resident have in her? Ask her to walk about at the market place, coffee shops, shops and resident houses whether it is OK to have a cemetery adjoing houses? ...Part 22 Quote 0   0

Bukit Teratai Resident Pro-tem  - Disappointed & Angry   |60.49.4.xxx |2008-09-01 13:20:32 Part 20: MCA representatives told us that our MP Datuk Ong Tee Keat will be arriving on 28/8/08, if we would highlight our problem to him, so why not? since after all this part of his constituency, The very next day almost all newspapers highlight our plights including NST and STAR. On 28/8/08 we again appeal to our MP Datuk Ong Tee Keat our problems and was highlighted on the Chinese Press..Part 21 Quote 0   0

Bukit Teratai Resident Pro-tem  - Disappointed & Angry   |60.49.4.xxx |2008-09-01 13:15:18 Part 19: Leaflets were send out informing our protest on 23/8/08 Saturday 10.30am. We even a note to our ADUN informing her about the protests and leaving a contact no. to call us. Sadly to say she did not reply. Notice were also send out the next day to the press. More than 100 or over residents stage the protests and chinese and english press arrive to highlight our problems(even MCA and DAP representatives came)...Part 20 Quote 0   0

Bukit Teratai Resident Pro-tem  - Disappointed & Angry   |60.49.4.xxx |2008-09-01 13:11:51 Part 18: words spreads faster internet throughout the 3 rows of double storey houses. That night residents came out to discuss the issue. We held a meeting and discuss plan to hold a protest on our own and invite press to highlight plight. ('cause we don't who turn to now) To have a voice we decided to form an ad hoc committee and I were proposed and elected Pro_Tem President....Part 19 Quote 0   0

Bukit Teratai Resident Pro-tem  - Disappointed & Angry   |60.49.4.xxx |2008-09-01 13:07:23 Part 17: So how can the residents not be disappointed and angry when they have high hope on her to be on their side of protests only to get this type of reply (the concept of modern cemetery). I even asked her why she did not stand firm on the issue and she asked me to shut up when during the meeting I did not say a word (meaning I don't have a right to talk now)...Part 18 Quote 0   0

Bukit Teratai Resident Pro-tem  - Disappointed & Angry   |60.49.4.xxx |2008-09-01 13:02:26 Part 16: A lot of residents appealed to her and out ADUN telling them to cancel the project. Our ADUN also told the residents the project has been approved by the previous state government (she says shits from the previous BN party). She told the residents that it will be a modern graveyard and also repeated that she stays near a cemetery when she was young...Part 17 Quote 0   0

Bukit Teratai Resident Pro-tem  - Disappointed & Angry   |60.49.4.xxx |2008-09-01 12:58:51 Part 15: I told them that on 21/8/08 MPAJ, Land Office and our ADUN will be visiting the area and told them to ask themselves. More than 20 resdients waited for them to come. When MPAJ and our ADUN arrive, residents brought placards to voice their protests. The Land Office Queen arrive and did not want to get down until she bashing from our ADUN only she get down from her car (slight drizzle)....Part 16 Quote 0   0

Bukit Teratai Resident Pro-tem  - Disappointed & Angry   |60.49.4.xxx |2008-09-01 12:54:39 Part 14 representing the residents against the propose cemetery). So how can she (ADUN) starts pushing all the blame to us when she is supposed to be the first one to lead us for the strong objection??? Some of the residents came to ask me what transpired at the meeting when they came to know that I attended the following night I just explain to them what had happened.....Part 15 Quote 0   0

Bukit Teratai Resident Pro-tem  - Disappointed & Angry   |60.49.4.xxx |2008-09-01 12:50:27 Part 13: So in the meeting room they discussed about the draft plan and beautification of the cemetery and also solutions of the existing roads. A visit to the proposed roads was setup on 21/8/08 at 9.30am. After that the meeting adjourned/ends. When we came out of the meeting we asked her (ADUN) why don't she firmly against proposed cemetery (where she is suppose to be our voice...Part 14 Quote 0   0

Bukit Teratai Resident Pro-tem  - Disappointed & Angry   |60.49.4.xxx |2008-09-01 12:45:44 Part 12: What can we say when it seems that she have this kind of bid deal mindset. We even told her the problems of the two existing narrow roads-one bypass a primary school and one in front of houses. What happens if a kenduri is being held and a canopy was setup blocking the road? and what happens when the funeral procession happens to pass just after school (who will have the of wat first)....Part 13 Quote 0   0